Sunday, July 1, 2007

On Interfaith Dialogue

There has been some discussion lately on a few blogs about Ann Holmes Redding, an Episcopal priest who has also recently become a practicing Muslim, without renouncing Christianity or her ordination. You can read about Rev. Redding in The Seattle Times and some of the blog discussion here, here, here, and here. Her situation is indeed fascinating for the issues it raises, and it prompts me to share some thoughts on interfaith dialogue.

Religion is not merely a set of beliefs about God, the meaning of human existence, the afterlife, morality and ethics. It also provides one with a community. By that I mean not simply people to socialize with, for that can be found up the street at the local bar or coffee shop if you're a regular. Religion provides community in a much bigger sense, connecting you with a history, a tradition, a culture which is and has been shared by many. I also think religion—and I have primarily the text-based religions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam in mind, but my thoughts could perhaps be applied to others as well—gives those who participate in it a narrative of which to be a part. For Christians, this narrative is the life of Jesus. Through imitatio Dei, Christians bring the grace they understand to be the message of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection into the world so that others may experience it. For Jews, Passover is a key part of the narrative, reminding them that they have been freed from slavery and inspiring them to work for the freedom of others who may be enslaved. So this narrative is not just a story, but a way of living. Although the abstract messages may often be a great deal alike, the stories and the rhythms of life they foster are quite different. The differences, it seems to me, are important not because the beliefs are fundamentally different, but because the differences foster an identity, a sense of belonging, an address in the world.

Because I view religion in this way, Rev. Redding does not really challenge me on the level of "How can you believe in Jesus and Allah at the same time?" The outward forms and the details are indeed different, but at the very root of it, a lot is the same. The question raised for me is this: "How do you form an identity? Who are you? To whom do you belong? Where is your address in the world?" The rituals we observe make us different. And the more we tap into the rich cultural traditions offered by different religions, it seems to me, the more this is true. If you doubt the importance of the sense of identity and belonging that observing Shabbat or taking communion on a weekly basis or praying five times a day provides, ask someone who knows its potential but lacks it. Perhaps a mix such as Rev. Redding's—and, more to the point, finding comfort and identity in the mix—is a matter of the postmodern world in which we live. But, as much as I have been positively influenced by postmodern thought in my work, I admit I am still a bit old fashioned. It seems to me that one has to find an address, which means making a choice.

That is not, however, to say that we cannot participate in the narratives and rituals of other groups. In fact, I think that not only can we do so, but we ought to do so. Dialogue with others helps us to understand them better, understand ourselves better, and leads us to see what, under the surface of the narratives, we have have in common. Only by engaging each other in this way can we see where collaborative action can happen. And collaborative action needs to happen in order to live peacefully and achieve important things together. I think of the efforts on behalf of Darfur as an example of this type of collaborative action. (Incidentally, it works both ways. By engaging in collaborative action, we can learn that we're not so different after all.) Going one step further, participation in the narratives and rituals of others to the extent we can builds empathy and connection. When we worship together or sit together around a seder table or Sunday dinner we do more than engage each other intellectually. We share experience that binds us to one another. Why is this important? Despite differences, it's pretty hard to stigmatize and hate your friends. Religions may provide a community which can help one find that address in the world, but membership in the larger human family operates right alongside it.

One of the potential dangers I see of "bi-religious" practice is not simply the loss of particulars that foster identity, but the use of such a position specifically in order to gain converts. In his blog post on this subject, Iyov wonders why some Christian leaders vilify Rev. Redding but turn a blind eye (if not provide outright support) to Christians who also practice Judaism while retaining their Christian beliefs. A fair point. The goal of at least some such sects is the conversion of Jews to Christianity. In such cases, the simultaneous practice of two religions is not honest, not carried out with the integrity which appears to characterize Rev. Redding's practice however confusing it may seem, but disingenuous. In my own personal experience with Messianic Jews or Jews for Jesus, the aim of conversion has been forthright and the knowledge of Judaism abysmal. Furthermore, opportunities to learn more about Judaism produced not interest and excitement but outright dismissal. I say this neither to stigmatize every Messianic Jew nor to provide a blanket characterization of Messianic Judaism. I mean simply to illustrate with an example that "bi-religious" practice is not all of a kind. Some are perhaps called to it and engage it with openness and interest in order to foster their own spiritual growth. Others use it as a tool to achieve ends, whether knowingly or out of ignorance.

The latter use flies in the face of dialogue and participation with others because it does not respect the integrity of—let alone see the beauty in—the other, but sees the other as something to be assimilated. Have you ever had a dear friend who was very different from you, through whose eyes you have the privilege to see things about the world you would not otherwise see left to your own experience of life? This type of enrichment is what is lost when we strive to neutralize or assimilate others who are different rather than rejoice in sharing the world with them. I'm personally in favor of picking an address and inviting those who live on a different street and a different town in for dinner once in a while and visiting them in their homes as well. I have a hard time understanding Rev. Redding's choices. But at least they seem to be honest. And I suspect there are many more in the world like her. Judgements aside, there may be something to learn from Ann Holmes Redding, however inconcievable her situation may seem or however ill-conceived one might think it to be. She is a mold-breaking other. I, for one, would love to sit with her one afternoon and learn to see the world through her eyes over a cup of coffee. I may not change my mind, but I would almost certainly come away enriched.

15 comments:

geoffrobinson said...

If the Passover was merely about slavery, what was the point about slaughtering the lamb to avoid the wrath of the angel of the L-rd?

I would also disagree with your disingenuous comment. The New Testament describes Jesus as the Messiah and firmly planted in the Jewish tradition and the fulfillment of the Tanakh. The book of Acts has a lot to do with how Gentiles believe in a Jewish faith. This being the case, if you believe in Christianity, you must believe in the Jewishness of your faith.

James Pate said...

Interesting post, Angie.

I do not think that a person can be 100% Christian and 100% Muslim at the same time. As the article shows, there are both Christians and Muslims who agree with my sentiment. The two religions have things in common, but their beliefs about Jesus are contradictory. If Muhammad is right, then Christianity is wrong.

I have a hard time comparing Messianic Judaism with what the priest is doing. Messianic Jews are basically Jews who believe that Jesus is the Messiah and yet practice Jewish customs. How are the two contradictory? Why should believing in Jesus mean that a Jew cannot remember the Exodus, observe the Sabbath as a memorial between God and Israel, or eat kosher foods as a sign of Israel's holiness? Judaism believes that a Messiah will come. Messianic Jews believe that this Messiah is Jesus. Why does that belief make them non-Jews?

Some may note that Messianic Jews differ with normative Jews on the nature of God. Maybe, maybe not. Philo of Alexandria believed that there was a demigod beneath the most high God. That is not strict rabbinic monotheism, but Philo is still labeled Jewish. The Kabbalah presents God as composed of different (and, in some sense, independent) parts. Many people seem to consider Kabbalism to be Jewish, however. And there are Jews who do not even believe in God as a personal being. They may be atheists, or they see God as an impersonal force (as do the Reconstructionists). They still call themselves Jews, and some of their adherents teach in Jewish academic insitutions without much problem. Why are Messianic Jews singled out as non-Jews because of their belief in Jesus?

Anyway, I'll stop here. Thanks for the thought-provoking post.

Angela Roskop Erisman said...

Dear Geoff and James,

You both (in different ways) raise the issue of Jesus' Jewishness being a potential source of compatibility for Christianity and Judaism. The problem with that take on it, as I see it, is this. Jesus may have been Jewish, but 2000 years of history and development separate Christianity and Judaism as religions. This simply cannot be undone, no matter how hard one tries. Christianity has its roots in Judaism and has a great deal in common with Judaism, but hasn't been itself "Jewish" since late antiquity.

That said, I think that efforts to understand the Jewish context of Jesus' life and ministry are important. Especially as they can provide a basis for Jews and Christians to understand what they have in common. And, in doing this, one may find new ("old") ways to practice Christianity that enrich it. (I think of house churches here.) But one can only incorporate such things and move forward. Christianity isn't wholly defined by the New Testament, but also by church councils and a whole body of thought and historical experience that followed it. Judaism is also not that depicted in the New Testament. We can choose how to go forward, perhaps informed by the past, but there is no going backwards.

But that's just my take. I would encourage you to put your questions and raise this conversation with practicing Jews. On one level it's an "abstract" question. But I don't think it really is, and the issue of how people structure their lives and communities does come into play.

Thanks to both of you for reading and participating in the discussion!

James Pate said...

Thanks for your response. I'd like to make one more point.

We live in a time when boundaries are blurred. What makes a person a Christian? I would say that a Christian is someone who accepts Christ's atonement for sin and resurrection, but there are plenty of people who call themselves Christians and yet do not believe in those things. I can say that they are not Christians, and they can say that they are. Basically, we both have our opinions. Is there an objective way to say which is right? The same goes with the question of who is a Jew. Some may define Judaism as rabbinic Judaism, and yet not all Jews follow halakah. There are liberal branches of both Judaism and Christianity that interpret passages less literally than conservatives, or that select from the tradition what they believe is relevant.

That seems to be what the priest is doing. She is selecting from Islam and Christianity the parts that she likes, and then she is saying that she adheres to both. Many people are not really used to this because Islam does not have a liberal branch (as far as I know; I hear of moderate Muslims, but their difference from radicals may be one of interpretation rather than dismissing parts of the tradition). But, if we are to recognize the self-identification of liberal Christians and Jews as Christians and Jews, then why not recognize this priest as a liberal Muslim, even if she is the only one?

James Pate said...

One more point...

In the old days, communities had more of a say in terms of self-identification. A "heretic" could claim to be a Christian, but the institution could enforce its definition of orthodoxy. Spinoza could claim to be Jewish, but, when the Jewish community excommunicated him, it set a firm boundary.

In the West today, each individual is his or her own authority. A liberal Christian can call himself a Christian without regard to what fundamentalists may think. There is community in the West, but religion is rather privatized, and people can find communities that reflect their brand of religion (not in all cases, but in many cases).

Angela Roskop Erisman said...

I don't know of any liberal Muslim sects, but I do know of liberal Muslims. Irshad Manji, for example, keeps a pretty high profile and her work is fascinating and courageous. Check out the following links:

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/233/trouble-islam.html

http://www.muslim-refusenik.com/

James Pate said...

Oh yes, I've seen her on Bill Maher's show. I actually liked her on that because she was discussing the dangers of radical Islam, in the midst of Maher's usual politically liberal guests.

geoffrobinson said...

I would argue that the Jewish people were set apart from G-d. It is His definition and self-revelation which defines who is and is not Jewish. To set up your own standard, no matter how much based on history, is idolatry. You would be replacing God's standard for your own wisdom, even if it is old, collective wisdom.

Adam said...

You stated: "In my own personal experience with Messianic Jews or Jews for Jesus, the aim of conversion has been forthright and the knowledge of Judaism abysmal."

Then let me suggest that your experience with Messianic Jews (as distinct from Jews for Jesus, hereafter JfJ) is rather limited. Most of the Messianic community is actually OPPOSED to the evangelistic tactics of JfJ and focuses on building a religious community and serving God through worship and keeping the commandments, not conversion. We convert through attraction only, not streetcorner broadsides. And the Messianic community is actually, by and large, becoming more and more Torah observant, coming close to a practice similar to the Conservative movement. Check out the Coalition of Torah Observant Messianic Congregations -- http://ctomc.info -- for more information.

Angela Roskop Erisman said...

Hi Adam,

Thanks so much for reading and for sharing your perspective. I really appreciate knowing about it, and I think other readers will too.

Please do note that I also explicitly stated that my shared experience was NOT intended to be a generalization about Messianic Judaism or Jews for Jesus, but simply to illustrate that some people are disingenuous about their bi-religious identity. I never claimed my experience was anything but limited. Thanks for expanding it!

John said...

What an interesting post and comment string!

In the post itself, it might be wise to correct the spelling of the name of the person who started the conversation off: Ann Holmes Redding.

Angela Roskop Erisman said...

Thanks John. The misspelling just came to my attention last night. Embarassing... It's fixed now. Thanks for reading!

Judy Redman said...

Getting back to Islam and Christianity - going on what is said in the article, it seems to me that Holmes Redding is saying that she is attracted to the spiritual practices of the particular expression of Islam that she's involved with. There are certainly quite a few spiritual practices in Islam that are not problematic for Christians, and would seem to bring them closer to God and to other people. I particularly like the practice of spending Ramadan reflecting on who you have wronged and then going to them and apologising and asking forgiveness. A habit of regular prayer isn't a bad thing, either. I would suggest that the rationale behind (some of) the Muslim spiritual practices probably is problematic, though.

While I don't pretend to be an expert on Islam, it seems to me that one of the fundamental differences between it and Christianity is the concept of God's grace. Islam, as it has been explained to me by numerous Muslims, teaches that each person is assigned two angels, one of whom records all the person's good deeds and the other of whom records all their bad deeds. At their death, these angels interrogate the person concerned and if the good deeds outweigh the bad, the person goes to heaven. If the bad deeds outweigh the good, it is still possible for the person to go to heaven, but only if enough people pray for her/him. Thus, the motivation for doing good for a Muslim is earning her/his way into heaven. Christians believe that they get to heaven by a free gift of God's grace, so the motivation for doing good is quite different.

I therefore have difficulty understanding how Holmes Redding can say she is both Christian and Muslim at the same time, unless she is simply talking about her spiritual practices, rather than her fundamental beliefs.

Angela Roskop Erisman said...

Hi Judy,

Thanks so much for your thoughtful and thought-provoking response!

The idea of grace is present and operating in other religions, too. I've seen profound examples of it. I think the way Christians articulate grace, however, highlights it in a way that is realy unique, and a gift to the world of religious ideas. I would not so clearly separate grace from "deeds" or the idea of praying for people to go to heaven. Although grace gets the emphasis (and more or less emphasis depending on what Christian tradition you're talking about), Christianity does embrace all of these things and, in that sense, is perhaps not so unlike the Islam you describe.

I think you're right about Christians being able to participate meaningfully in the spiritual practices of other religions. It's also worth noting that the Christian tradition has its own versions of things like regular prayer disciplines (I think of the daily offices) and rituals of forgiveness (the sacrament of confession, for example). Granted, these are more emphasized in some Christian traditions than others. But they're there. They're framed differently, though, and it makes sense to me that the rituals of one religion might "speak" more profoundly to someone than those of another even when the same core thing is at issue. But that's where my thoughts on identity come in. If the rituals of Islam speak to someone more profoundly than those of Christianity, are more comfortable, etc., perhaps that person ought to be thinking carefully about one's identity and address in the world. I suspect this is the very discernment process Rev. Redding's bishop asked her to engage in. It is not easy, and my thoughts and prayers are with her.

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